Oh Lord put Women and Men in their place.

Reflections on Feminism

I am no misogynist. I love women, and enjoy their company immensely.  I find them delightful in their compassion, wisdom, intuition and  enthusiasm.  I remember going out for drinks with three women from the theatre group I was involved in back in the 90’s.  We began discussing our favorite plays or movies, and the exuberant way they responded with screams of delight when a favorite movie was mentioned was so much fun to be part of.  Men just don’t act that way.  I have worked with women in the church, in community theatre and in the supportive care of physically and mentally challenged adults.   If anything I love women too much, and can easily get caught up in an infatuation.  And I love men  very much as well, and admire their awesome masculine qualities.  I have worked with men in the church, and in various aspects of construction.  I have gone out for drinks with the crew and have enjoyed it immensely as well, but it was entirely different experience than that of being with women.  One of the discussions we have as men is how feminism is destroying our families and our marriages. BTW ladies, we men  have that discussion all the time, and in my opinion the plague of divorce which is destroying the fabric of our society is an abysmal  curse brought about in huge measure by feminism.  I just had that same discussion again recently.  A man was mentioning how is wife was abdicating from life. Although quite talented and quite social and with a lot to offer the world,  she now lived her life on the couch watching tv. Her Christian husband who is a gracious and very intelligent man cannot help her.  They had been  part of a church which decided to move in a direction which could be seen as anti feminist in their policy and she had felt betrayed and rejected and now has given up on life. When he directs her to get off her bottom and get back to serving God and her community,  she ignores him and despises  his authority.  I asked him, ” is your wife influenced by feminism.” ?  He replied, ” oh yeah!”  In his perspective feminism was the problem and I totally agree. Using theological language I consider feminism to be a spiritual stronghold of Satan.  A stronghold is a lie which is used to bring God’s children into slavery, to disempower them, and to remove them from the will and blessing of God. Feminism is a revolt against God. God has placed man in authority, in part ,to help Him put women in their rightful place.   If man’s place is to be in authority then it is his place to bring about obedience and submission to God in his family.  The irony is that if women don’t allow men, under God,  to be a partner with God, in putting  them in their place, then women become a serious obstacle that makes it difficult for God to put man in his rightful place. The place God puts a man is in subordinate, sanctified, obedience to Himself and His will and the sanctified man is the best gift God can give a woman.  Christians need to discern that  feminism is profoundly rebellious and defiant at its core whether it brands itself as Christian or not.  Feminism is not something that Christians, men or women,  should embrace.  Can a man carry fire in his bosom and not be burned ?

I love women and want the very best for them but I am no feminist. I was for a time and but am seeing, ever more clearly, that it is indeed a trap, a lie of the enemy. I am a Christian Humanist.  As a humanist I have a very high view of man. I don’t ascribe to any version of worm theology.  We, male and female, are created in God’s image, male and female He created them, and the glory that we are capable of attaining, in Him,   goes far beyond what our imagination’s can conceive. But we can only attain to that glory when we allow God to put us in our place.  Revival, in fact,  could be defined simply  as being put in our place. We all have a place that is defined by both our general characteristics ,  ie male or female, and by our specific characteristics, our specific personality and gifting’s.  And it is God who puts us in our place through His word, His spirit and those in authority in our lives.  God is preparing us a place, both in time and in eternity and it is beyond words a good place. If we don’t allow God to put us in our place be assured that, one way or another, Satan will, and his choice for us will not be pleasant.

Jesus is our model for this.   Let me share this quote from the bible

English Standard Version

Christ’s Example of Humility  Philipians 2:1-11

1So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy, 2complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. 3Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. 4Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. 5Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,a 6who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,b being born in the likeness of men. 8And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus place was to go the cross and he allowed the father to put Him there.  The way up was the way down.  His empowerment was his emptying himself of all power. Vs 6 says that he did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped.   Feminism is a grasping for an equality with men, in area’s that they are just not equal.   And men will never be equal with women either . Women far excel men in several ways. We are equal in worth, in dignity and honor,  and in our relationship with God, but in everything else we are not equal. We are different and as Elisabeth Elliot points out, we need to grasp the significance of that difference.

Philipians ch 2:2 speaks of us having the same mind as Christ. This is the mind controlled by the Holy Spirit. This is a gracious, submissive, obedient   mind in both men and women. Romans ch 8 speaks of how the carnal mind, is completely contrary to the mind controlled by the Holy Spirit

Romans 8:5-11  New Living Version

Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. 6So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. 7For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God.

In my last post Elizabeth Elliot wrote about Feminists and how they demand the right to do whatever they want and not do whatever they don’t want.  This is exactly what Paul is speaking of in Romans 8.  If we have a carnal mind we will not obey God, we will not please God,  and we will  not experience his blessing in our lives and relationships.

God earnestly wishes to give us life and peace, but He can only do so when we allow Him to put us in the place He has determined for us.

Blessings

Jack

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2 thoughts on “Oh Lord put Women and Men in their place.

  1. “They had been part of a church which decided to move in a direction which could be seen as anti-feminist in their policy and she had felt betrayed and rejected and now has given up on life. When he directs her to get off her bottom and get back to serving God and her community, she ignores him and despises his authority.”

    I feel like the fact that the woman in this case feels betrayed by her community should be the issue here, not feminism. It’s exceedingly selfish for someone who’s suppose to love and care for their wife doesn’t respect the fact that she is upset and expects her to just get over it.

    A good leader, or anyone who is in a position of authority, is supposed to respect and care for the people they are leading. A poor leader ignores the needs of the people who they are leading, and this seems to be the case here. It’s certainly not very Christlike. What would He say, if she came to Him and felt as if her flock was going in a direction that she felt was morally wrong and against the work of God?

    The husband should have been willing to discuss her feelings with her and come up with a solution in which they can reaffirm their faith together in their partnership.

    1. Hi Benjamin, your insight regarding this situation could be true, but its not in this case. As I said in the post, the husband is a gracious and intelligent man. This is not his first rodeo. I have been involved in the church for over 40 years and I have been shot by friendly fire a few times, and i have learned to get over it. The husband and his wife have left that church and there are plenty of other churches which are more open to women’s leadership. There is always somewhere to serve.Your idealism is refreshing but your solution, ( which indeed ought to work ) is sabatoged by feminism. A man thinks he is discussing with his wife, when in reality he is contending with her feminist “friends” who are urging her to ” dump the jerk” “don”t take that crap”, etc. etc. The battle lines are far wider than you suppose. But thanks for commenting. Jack

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